i kind of agree with jonas. i'm not sure i'd be so quick bail out cities with national catastrophes. they decided to live there and build there. but jonas it right, a lot of tiesike detroit are heavily unionized. they invested heavily in these gold-plated cadillac-like government pensions as the revenues have dropped off and diminishednd detroit is a great example, people leaving the cityow for decades. they find they can't pay these pensions. so in a nutshell,hey mismanaged their money and now they're coming-- don't blame the council woman they did help to get president obama elected. look, we did youolid and unfortunately it's not the right way to go, i d't think anyone wants to bail out detroit for mismanagement. >> brenda: julian, what say you. >> i think we have to define the terms, quid pro quo and bailout are unfortunate terms. i think that jas made the rit point. you have to separate long-term and short-term issues. long-term, the same way that the government reformed entitlement, the state has to reform